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Monday, June 22, 2009

Healthy Weight-spo...or something

 Yet another other posts inspired post.

Since Xanga has switched to the random top blogs (a change which I rather enjoy, but this isn't about that), I have seen a number of "thinspo" sites hit the front page. Now I'll be blunt, these sites make my stomach churn. They are full of people, usually girls, starving themselves to death, only to have other girls encourage and congratulate them on their "progress." It is absolutely disgusting.

I have mentioned before that I was once underweight. Not for image reasons, but due to being unable to afford more than 100 or so calories a day. For the sake of illustration, I'd like to show you me from then.



First off, here's me today. Or moreso, yesterday at the time of this posting:

current

That's me, 5'8", 135 lbs. Waist size 31" (Apologies for the camera in the way and the poor white balance, my camera is a bit broken at the moment, and that was the best of the two usable shots of about 30). At that weight, there is a hint of a stomach, but also the hint of a ribcage. All and all, I'd say I look rather healthy at that weight.

Que me, circa 2007:

skinny

This is the only photo of me from that time. I took it as a pose reference for a drawing. In any case, notice the pose os rather relaxed, shoulders slouched forward slightly, no precaution to make me appear thinner. In fact, that pose probably makes me look larger than I was. Then note that my left three ribs (your right) are visable. That's what happens when you are 5'8" and 120 lbs. The extent at which my pelvis jutted out cannot be seen in this photo, but to give an idea, I had a 28" waist. Not very attractive, is it.

And therein lies my first point. A skeletal figure is far from attractive. In fact, it's fucking gross.

At the time, I had friends express concern about my weight and eating habits. I'll be honest, I didn't think I had a problem, and thought I looked healthy. I thought they were overreacting. Looking back, I now know they were right.


So what is "healthy?" One main guide is the Body Mass Index (BMI). Admittedly, BMI tends to place those with large muscle mass into the overweight category, but that's not the end we're concerned with, and regarding the muscle issue, well, considering the concern these "thinspired" people tend to have with weight, this problem would end up meaning that with decent muscle mass, they appear on the BMI scale as higher than they should, which you will shortly see is a bad thing. Also note the underweight limit varies from 18.5 to 20. For this exercise, we'll give the thinspos as much leeway as possible and go with the 18.5 figure.

Anyhow, the chart.

bmi-chart

I've placed a few points of interest. First off, the red dots. Those are my lightest weight, current weight, and heaviest weight. You'll notice that at my lightest, I was plainly in the underweight section, and have approached, at most, the upper end of healthy. That combined with the photos should give an idea of those ratios.

The green x's, that's some common weight goals I see these thinspo people after, compared to the maximum healthy height for that weight. So girls going after 90 lbs, unless you are 4'10" or shorter (and I know almost none of you are), your fucking underweight. 100 lbs? 5'1 1/2." An allegedly fat 110 lbs? If you're 5'4" or taller, it ain't fat, it's too skinny.

The pink x's, well, that's a couple points I brought in for added effect. Those dots represent this woman:

019_1374~Marilyn-Monroe-Posters

That's right. Marylin freaking Monroe. A woman widely regarded as one of, if not the most beautiful women in history. Admittedly, these figures were from a simple google search, but they seemed rather common. At her lightest, Marylin was 118 pounds, putting her 5'5" self solidly in the healthy range from her lightest weight of 115 lbs to her heaviest of 140.

The point in that figure: Marylin freaking Monroe was heavier than you freaking thinspo girls. And she looked damned good.


Anyhow, let's get some more charts:
ideal-weight-chart_men
ideal-weight-chart_women

(Note: These charts use 20 as BMI healthy/underweight cutoff)
These charts show BMI, as well as the Devine, Robinson, and Miller formulas for ideal weight. A quick explination

The Devine formula was developed for administering proper doses of a few medications. It has the problem of giving very low ideal weights for short women.

The Robinson formula was developed after the Devine formula to compensate based on population data. It's biggest problem is low ideal weights for tall men.

I was unable to discover any history on the Miller formula

In any case, my same three sets of data points are available, with the added bonus of the 90, 100, and 110 weight points plotted on the ideal weight formula lines. Even the Devine formula, which is known for giving low ideal weights for short women, agrees that a 4'10" girl should not be lighter than 90 lbs.


And I still have one more chart.

chart

This one also has the healthy/underweight cutoff at 20, rather than 18.5. The reason I brought in this chart is the furthers left bar, the bar between underweight and severely underweight/anorexic. International BMI standards place that line at 16.5, but again, let's give the thinspo people the edge here, just to show how unhealthy it is.

90 lbs. If you are 5'3" or over, you are severely underweight. 5'4" is the US average for women. Sorry to break it to you, thinspo girls, because I know a lot of you meet this or have this as a goal, but you are fucking dieing here. Pretty is no good when you are dead.

Moving to the magic 100 lbs. 5'6 1/2" is the cutoff. I still know plenty of girls this height, so there's still a fair share of girls out there killing themselves the drop that digit off their weight.

The dreaded 110, well, at this point you're taller than me, standing at 5'9 1/2" Tall for women, but consider that. 110 seems to be dreaded by the thinspo girls, and if the height cutoff for killing yourself at 110 is almost as tall as the average man (5'10"), then odds are you aren't fat, you're dieing.


So I have said it before and I mean it. If you are one of these people trying to kill yourself over these absurd weight goals, I will do to you what my friends did to me. I will force a god damned double quarter pounder with cheese down your throat so you don't fucking die. When you come to your senses, you'll thank me. I thank my friends who did it to me.
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I have seen severe anorexia nervosa, and it's no laughing matter.  It used to be a rare disease---Michael
Posted 6/23/2009 2:24 PM by desotoinquest - reply

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It's not a laughing matter. I was rather sick myself, and having been there and back, and being able to look back and realize how sick I was, I want to help those who are anorexic overcome it. I never got that severe (like I said, I got to 120 lbs and was consuming less than 150 calories a day, which is pretty bad) but I was heading there, and was fortunate enough to have friends pull me out.

I look at the sites with the girls killing themselves like this, and see other girls encouraging their "progress," and it makes me sick.
Posted 6/23/2009 10:33 PM by Dargon - reply

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For a while, my blog was targeted by the skeletal chicks who find joy and justification in the cessation of menses due to malnutrition, define themselves by the width of the space between their legs.  I used to get a LOT of traffic from anorexic blog groups, probably because I mentioned one time buying a pair of size 4 pants.  After reading through several of the blogs, I was alarmed and a bit nauseated at the poor souls with such low self-esteem.  One of these sad girls told a story of going to the apartment of some acquaintance and, after allowing him to use her, (I'll never forget the words), "he threw my clothes at me after he fucked me and told me to get out.  Maybe he'll call me tonight."  There were many stories with this same hopelessness.  I could not help them.


Posted 6/26/2009 8:08 AM by blonde_apocalypse Xanga True Member - reply

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I don't know who to thank here first. You who wrote this amazing entry or my friend (sheepthatsblack) who recommended it. But I guess you two deserve my THANKS. So thank you.

It made me sad when you said you were thin because you couldn't actually afford food with proper nutrition...DAMIN! It even made feel utterly pathetic and ashamed of myself, because I can have whatever food that I want, but I simply waste it.

I'm not Anorexic (I guess), I consider myself Bulimic because the symptoms that I have fall under the category of Bulimia. I haven't been diagnosed, but I can tell.
...It's funny because I'm 146cm and weight about 44Kg. (I'll be 21 this October, btw)...And honest to God, those charts were pretty surprising. I still feel like a fucking huge cow, 'cause it's the heaviest weight that I could reach to since last year (I was 32Kg back then).

My eating disorder started when I was 17yes old. I guess I was more of an Anorexic than Bulimic because I went weeks/months without me eating anything or eating so little and throwing it all back up.
It wasn't because I wanted to look pretty(ier), or anything like that, I think it has to do with other shit that I have in my life (i.e. depression, suicide, and some serious control issues).

I don't know if I'm ready for treatment, though. I know for a damn fact that I can't stand myself right now (at 44Kg. Yes, I'm aware of how fucking sick this sounds) and honestly, I avoid mirrors, or any reflection of me,all the time, because I feel utterly disgusted. Yes, I ''feel'' fat, I may not ''look'' fat, but I can't ''feel'' that I am not. It sucks, bulimia has taken over my life for the past 3years, and I'm a total wreck. I have no social life, my social skills is effing sick, I lost so many friends, because of my ED, to keep myself safe, to avoid any social occasions that I might have to deal with 'food'... so yeah...

Sorry for the long-winded comment, and for invading your comment box here, but I just thought I might share my part...

Thank you for listening.

It's nice to see people care about this topic. And Thank you for writing and sharing this entry. It was pretty informative. And I've learned from it.

Peace&
LOVE,
Posted 6/28/2009 4:03 AM by suicidalspirit Xanga True Member - reply

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I came across this blog thanks to a recommendation from a fellow Xangan. If I could, I'd give you a literal standing ovation for this post. I was diagnosed with Anorexia Nervosa when I was 14, and the past 6 years have been a constant effort to maintain a relatively normal mindset/physical state. I'm still underweight according to statistics, but I'm in a healthier, more goal/happiness-oriented mindset--so the weight will arrive with time. Seeing my own jarring before and after pictures has helped me see just precisely how terrible I looked when I was at my sickest, and how genuinely happy I appeared at my healthiest. This is all extremely helpful and informative, even from my standpoint, where I already know the reality as your text delivers it. It puts things back into perspective for me, because mental disorders ( or diseases, whatever one wants to term them ) have a talent of muddying otherwise clear, straightforward waters. I guess one thing that a lot of people tend to forget is that there are issues underneath the battle with food. People wouldn't starve themselves, binge, or cause themselves other forms of bodily harm unless there was something, some notion inside of them driving them to it. I'm not saying that makes it any less of a choice--because people can make the choice to get better--but it's not as simple as forcing food down their throats. Basically, from my personal experience, weight-loss is a symptom of deeper trauma. Treating the weight-loss will cure physical disruptions, but it will not alleviate the mental disturbances, thus the disordered will resort back to old behaviors. Generally, anyway. It's a tricky thing to fight, because it appears under the disguise of vanity, which makes it all the more difficult to comprehend for 'normal' non-sufferers when they are told that it's got little to do with it. The whole 'Thinspiration' trend, at any rate, absolutely disgusts me, and has from the beginning. I've never divulged in such things, and though I can understand how some might find it appealing, I can only imagine the problems they have that drive them to find it so. Great, informative, eye-opening blog. More people should see this.

Posted 6/28/2009 8:12 AM by EgoOverdose - reply

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Amen. And what is even more aggravating is the fact that most people that starve themselves have plenty of money and resources. In this country there is almost no reason for ever going hungry. I think it is like a slap in the face for those who are genuinely in need and suffering.
Idiots and their vanity.

Hex
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I liked this blog it addressed in an issue I feel is a problem that a lot of people tend to ignore/misconstrue
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@suicidalspirit - 



The money thing was interesting at the time; when all bills and rent and tuition and loan interest were paid, I usually had less than $10 per paycheck for food, gas, and other expenses. With that kind of money, pasta was about all I could afford, and it might be a bag of it (1500 calories) for the entire two week pay period.

I will be honest, I did start to like how I looked as I got skinny, and really didn't realize just how skinny I got until I saw the photo. When I started gaining (I went up to 145 lb (65kg) before dropping to my current 135 lb (61 kg), I felt fat, but my friends commented that I looked healthier. I didn't realize how true their words were until now.

Concerning the eating disorder as a release for other life issues, I've had my share of those. I honestly didn't have the healthiest released for those myself (though mine usually involved alcohol, tobacco, and a tad bit of cutting). I don't advise any of those, but know that you are not alone in feeling the need for some sort of release.

I will say you seem better off than a lot of people I have spoken to with eating disorders, you at least realize that you shouldn't feel fat at 44 kg, even if you do feel it. I've seen too many people who won't acknowledge that, so I am glad you do.

I wish you the best and I do hope that you are eventually able to overcome your eating disorder and be happy with yourself.


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Concerning the root of the disorders, I understand that weight loss is often a symptom of something deeper. As I said above to suicidalspirit, I had my own unhealthy releases, which I have not overcome myself. However, concern over the problem may eventually lead to revealing the root of the problem itself, and from there it can be better dealt with. I suppose that this, like any major problem, has numerous stages, and for those who aren't even aware it is a problem (and yes, I can understand how one can get into that mindset), having it brought to your attention enough could be what is needed to get one's attention.

As for the thinspiration sites, what bothers me about those is that they glamorize the disorder. I have never spoken to a alcoholic, smoker, cutter, or anyone with a similar unhealthy release who is proud of it, who boasts it, and who shares it like it is a good thing. These thinspo sites do, and that is what bothers me most about them.


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I've been in a financial situation where going hungry happens. I've had friends in similar situations and helped them out when I had money. However, that's not the reason most of these people are doing it. Truth be told, until this and one of the above comments came in, I never even considered that aspect.
Posted 6/30/2009 2:38 AM by Dargon - reply

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I couldn't agree more. That's really all I have to say. Well done, honestly. This is amazing.
Posted 6/30/2009 4:52 AM by EternallyNotorious - reply

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AHHH marry me please?

Despite all the effort, people are still stupid.
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Yay, my first Xanga marriage proposal. Sorry, but I don't do marriage ;p

But yeah, despite that, seems there is no convincing some people.
Posted 7/2/2009 5:27 PM by Dargon - reply

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I don't do marriage either. Common law?
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But wouldn't that devalue the sanctity of marriage? j/k
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I don't like reading the thinspo crap either. It makes me sick. And a xanga friend has recently begun starving herself because she thinks she's too fat. She's normal, just like me. But she won't see it.

And what people don't realize that starving yourself and exercising without the proper nutrition actually works to SLOW your metabolism, the thing that helps you burn fat and calories. So, if you miss a day or have a free day, of course you're going to put on weight. Your body has been taught to hoard fat for survival, to keep you alive. You have taught it not to burn, but to keep fat.

If these girls would learn to feed themselves what their body needs to be healthy and exercise with proper nutrition, their bodies would burn fat more effectively, their metabolism would pick up, and they could develop more lean muscle to help them look thin without weighing so little. You have to weigh more to have muscle, and these girls just want to see low numbers. Muscle weighs more than fat though, so in order to get that toned look they so want, they ABSOLUTELY CANNOT do it by starving themselves and working out to death. They deteriorate muscle that way. Their body has nothing left to feed on, so it burns the muscle just to stay alive. This is why they look like skeletons rather than the thin, toned girls they want to be like.

These girls don't realize that all they are doing is hurting their bodies and is actually counter-productive to their goals.
Posted 7/16/2009 10:32 AM by MarksBeneathTheSkin - reply

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The slow metabolism problem ends up being a huge hurtle when these girls start eating again. Because of how much they have manage to slow their metabolism, they put on weight fast once they start trying to be healthy. I went up about 30 lbs when I started getting healthy amounts of food each day, took several months to level off and start dropping again (due to a sped up metabolism).

I have on other occassions said that if you are looking for a gauge of healthyness, waist size is probably a better indicator than weight. There have been times in my life where my waist was dropping while my weight was maintaining or even increasing, thanks to burning fat and building muscle. But for some reason they seem so fixated on weight. And since starving does drive /that/ number down, well, that on helps to fuel the problem.

I am sorry to hear your friend has started starving herself as well. I wish you and her the best.
Posted 7/16/2009 5:01 PM by Dargon - reply


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